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Essence Snow · Oct 13, 2010, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Kydd

Snow I WANT pve ers to go out and get a pvp title. The title that says you've done everything in guild wars should reflect that you've at least dipped into some pvp imo.

-Krisd

I've tried it...I just don't like it. Too much random chaos or vent 3...2...1 spike. If (hypothetically) they made z title a pve title I would just buy fame to get that title. I'm not exactly sure why ppl care enough about z title its not like playing pvp alone w/o purchasing keys is enough to max the title anyhow. It's not detracting ppl from getting other pvp titles. To me it makes sense more to argue why gamer title should be a pvp title than y z shouldn't.

Kydd · Oct 13, 2010, 09:29 PM // 21:29

If they put the requirement of a pvp title it should be a real pvp title. Some who have never tried pvp might like it and stick around and those who don't should just go without the title. I dont understand why anet would even put the requirement of a pvp title and include z title. If they are going to do that just so everyone gets to be 50/50 they should just not require pvp at all (which would be fine).

Milennin · Oct 13, 2010, 09:52 PM // 21:52

I'd still like an answer to my question...

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So, I earn my Zaishen Keys through PvP'ing - then why should I be denied my PvP title just because a few powertraders and lucky PvE'ers were able to buy their Zaishen Keys with gold? I clearly PvP'ed for my title.

jazilla · Oct 13, 2010, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Is the whole reason behind this..."I don't want PvE's to have a PvP title?"

did you even read my original post that started this thread?! i said that i got the z-title by doing 600/smite runs through sepulchre of dragrimmar and charging people for the run. i could care less if "pve-people" as you call them get the pvp title. they just should just have to play through any of the myraid pvp arenas in the game to get that point for their HoM.

i am a pve person btw that just happens to enjoy pvp as well, but THIS is the point of this thread: Go into a PvP arena to earn your HoM point for your GW2 characters. How many more times do I have to say why it is I started this thread?

Milennin said: "So, I earn my Zaishen Keys through PvP'ing - then why should I be denied my PvP title just because a few powertraders and lucky PvE'ers were able to buy their Zaishen Keys with gold? I clearly PvP'ed for my title."

Response: Nope. Just get to R3 Glad or get Hero 6 etc. That is my suggestion lol. I answered your post with my original post lol. I don't think that the z-title should count as the pvp title. period.

Yawgmoth · Oct 13, 2010, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Zaishen Title counting as a PvP title is a horrible joke. It's a PvE title MORE than PvP - it's easier to farm or powertrade for money than to earn it through PvP play. Zaishen title is no different and even cheaper to buy for a PvE only player than for example Sweet Tooth or Party Animal!

Instead they should make the Gamer (Skillz) title count as a PvP - EVERY means of obtaining points for this title require playing and winning against other players. It's also easily accessible for PvE'rs, just not buyable (which is good - way too many buyable titles).

Milennin · Oct 13, 2010, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by jazilla

Milennin said: "So, I earn my Zaishen Keys through PvP'ing - then why should I be denied my PvP title just because a few powertraders and lucky PvE'ers were able to buy their Zaishen Keys with gold? I clearly PvP'ed for my title."

Response: Nope. Just get to R3 Glad or get Hero 6 etc. That is my suggestion lol. I answered your post with my original post lol. I don't think that the z-title should count as the pvp title. period.

And who are you to deny my Zaishen title I have PvP'ed for fair and square?

Also, I wouldn't feel like sitting in one type of arena for months to grind out points. At least the Zaishen title lets me choose where I PvP and how I PvP, not force me into the same thing over again for ages.

Hobbs · Oct 13, 2010, 10:48 PM // 22:48

I PvPed all the faction I needed for my Luxon rank and all the points I needed for Gamer and those don't count as PvP titles so i'm sure as hell gonna PvE and buy my Zrank.

Shayne Hawke · Oct 13, 2010, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Milennin

So, I earn my Zaishen Keys through PvP'ing - then why should I be denied my PvP title just because a few powertraders and lucky PvE'ers were able to buy their Zaishen Keys with gold? I clearly PvP'ed for my title.

You putting different words into your question doesn't change the fact that it's the same question you've asked for four posts now and has the same answer as the last first three.

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

...and insisting that it's "better" for a player to buy fame than zkeys is just pure obstinance at this point.

I don't believe I've ever encouraged or spoken of buying fame as a substitute to anything. That said, being inside the PvP arena doing anything is already bounds ahead of anything that the Zaishen title requires you to do in a PvP sense. You have either two options inside a match: play, in which you will be doing proper PvP, or leech, which would fall under match manipulation. You are either doing things right, or should be en route to a ban.

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You're arguing on principle. That's fine and dandy, but it's also completely short-sighted. This isn't a theoretical discussion, nor is it supposed to be a particularly "fair" decision; this is a business decision, first and foremost.

Mods don't read Sardelac. I'm fairly sure that just about every discussion here is theoretical.

The Krewe forums I'm browsing right now, however...

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On the other hand, no PvE player has ever been forced to head into PvP to get something they want, save for the PvP-specific titles and the rank emote. Why do you think that should suddenly change now, when they're trying to get people excited over their new game?

To me, it is ridiculous to allow the highest rank of achievement for GW without once requiring the player to explore one entire half of the GW world.

Skyy High · Oct 13, 2010, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by X CDH X

Though think what benefits it will be for GW if they did. Much more ppl would do HA / RA / and lol codex.

No. No, they wouldn't. This isn't just about not wanting to do the content, or not getting around to it; there are ample numbers of pure PvE players who refuse to do PvP of any sort, and many more who refuse to do anything involving organized teams.

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In the whole GW1 HoM there's a grand total of 1 PvP point - which is kinda crazy as I'd guess 1/3 of the GW player base PvP more than PvE. It would be tough for some ppl do get but would be a challenge and make the 50/50 total much harder to achieve which would be good

Hah. Confirmation bias much? I'm guessing you spend way more of your time in PvP, so you think many people play PvP. There have been many polls about this; the last I remember said something like 10% of the playerbase plays mostly (or only) PvP, 50% plays both to some degree, and 40% plays only PvE. Note that the portion of players who play both is obviously predominated by players who stick to casual PvP. Also note that this was a poll on a forum, which is generally skewed towards the more "hardcore" population; I'd imagine there is a much larger segment of the casual never-visited-a-forum population that is PvE-only than PvP-only.

TalanRoarer · Oct 13, 2010, 11:04 PM // 23:04

/Not signed.

I want my points.

Lanier · Oct 13, 2010, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Milennin

Also, I wouldn't feel like sitting in one type of arena for months to grind out points. At least the Zaishen title lets me choose where I PvP and how I PvP, not force me into the same thing over again for ages.

Plus, as it is, PvPing in FA, JQ, and AB, which are probably the most inviting formats for PvEers, doesn't count toward a pvp title in any way except for zaishen. If they are going to get rid of zaishen, they need to, in some way, allow these formats to count. I have a high luxon rank almost exclusively from ABing and FAing, and I am kind of pissed that that doesn't count for the pvp title in the HoM. At least let the balthazar's faction you get from those formats count for the HoM if the lux/kurz faction isnt going to.

Reformed · Oct 14, 2010, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Not sure why there is whining over Zaishen honestly. Those who are capable make loads of money selling their keys doing something they obviously enjoy. Those who aren't get to buy 3 points towards a cosmetic title system that will be stale a month after GW2 goes live. That sounds like a win-win situation to me.

Focus on something that actually matters...like why Gamer doesn't but should count.

jazilla · Oct 14, 2010, 01:38 AM // 01:38

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Originally Posted by Reformed

Not sure why there is whining over Zaishen honestly. Those who are capable make loads of money selling their keys doing something they obviously enjoy. Those who aren't get to buy 3 points towards a cosmetic title system that will be stale a month after GW2 goes live. That sounds like a win-win situation to me.

Focus on something that actually matters...like why Gamer doesn't but should count.

I put something in my OP for this thread about CB but didn't go into detail about it as there is already a thread for that. I agree with you about the CB, but to let people spend 1,000 plat or 5k per zkey and get a pvp title....w/e i have said my peace.

chris12xu · Oct 14, 2010, 02:10 AM // 02:10

its not like people who bought the zaishan title get something you dont have and as it has been stated before you can easily buy pve titles without ever stepping foot in pve. when the zaishan title was added it was added as a pvp title z-keys are gained primarily through pvp thats how you get a zkey (yes you can buy them but the player selling them had to of got them from somewhere) fact of the matter is a zkey is a pvp reward titles that gain points from pvp rewards are pvp titles. why would a title gained by using rewards gained in pvp not be considered a pvp title? other than your butthurt because you need to do more work to get 50/50 than a pve person....

really this who thread just sounds like a bunch of elitist pvp people who dont want other people to actually have something that is considered a pvp title you really need to stop throwing a temper tantrum and realize that you have egg on your face

fires element · Oct 14, 2010, 02:39 AM // 02:39

i like the idea of gamer title being a pvp title myself. i don't really care one way or the other about zaishen counting as a pvp title or not cause there are other ways to get the HoM point. granted it will take you more time than just buying zkeys or doing the zaishen quests and stuff but it can still be done.

and i may be wrong but a pvper would still have to create a pve character and at least do the first couple quests and the primary quests for at least factions and nightfall. cause i know some doors don't open or some towns don't become mission towns unless you accept some rewards. so i think that they would have to be there for alittle bit while they leech the rest of the pve titles like vanquisher and such

HawkofStorms · Oct 14, 2010, 02:51 AM // 02:51

Too late.

They can't undo a reward for the GW2 HoM. It would piss off too many of the casual fans to see their points drop unexpectedly and to lose a reward just because some fans wanted to "preserve the value of a title."

It's the same reason you can't change how the z-title works retroactively. Once something has been abused/used for too long, changing the status quo doesn't stop the people who abused it, it just punishes those who didn't.

Elnino · Oct 14, 2010, 03:44 AM // 03:44

Shayne has already won this thread. Any argument against this change has been proven invalid countless times.

You people have to stop letting your emotions get the better of you and think this through logically. Only reason you oppose this change is that you refuse to do pvp. Stop thinking about yourselves and start thinking about the logic behind all this. I have not achieved zaishen r3 nor any pvp title as I am playing on a second account. I'm a primarily pvp player. I'm going to have to achieve a minimum of r4 koabd to get my 50/50. That's a lot of time consuming pve and I don't like it. I hate it, but I still have to do it. I'm going to have to get a pvp title which is also time consuming but I am all for this change. I'm willing to give up the quickest way to earn a pvp monument because I enjoy pvping and it will be a decent challenge.

So here's the difference. PvPers have to do PvE to get their 50/50 even if they hate it. They just do it because it has to be done.

So, logically, PvEers must do PvP to get their 50/50 even if they hate it. Just do it because it has to be done.

A saying comes to mind: don't do what you like, like what you do

So if you think the zaishen title is a pvp title, boy are you delusional.

Shayne Hawke · Oct 14, 2010, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Too late.

They can't undo a reward for the GW2 HoM. It would piss off too many of the casual fans to see their points drop unexpectedly and to lose a reward just because some fans wanted to "preserve the value of a title."

It's the same reason you can't change how the z-title works retroactively. Once something has been abused/used for too long, changing the status quo doesn't stop the people who abused it, it just punishes those who didn't.

With Costume Brawl being opened soon, this would be an ideal time for moving Zaishen to a PvE title status and Gamer to a PvP title status. It won't be long after Costume Brawl that Snowball is made available, and then Dragon Arena and Rollerbeetle shortly after that.

It's also ideal because this is happening right now. The longer this drags on, the worse the situation gets for trying to make the switch. That much should be obvious though.

jazilla · Oct 14, 2010, 05:21 AM // 05:21

proof that it isn't a pvp title: you ain't getting on any HA teams with a high zrank, but if your glad is high enough, totally.

Milennin · Oct 14, 2010, 06:52 AM // 06:52

Alright, I'm done here then. I PvP for my title (and no, not only in the Luxon/Kurzick arenas) and yet you tell me to actually PvP for my title, I don't know what you really want from me then, as I have done it all for my Zaishen title. Good luck with whatever you try to achieve with this, even though it makes 0% sense.